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I don't mind the inverted layout, I do think the cabling becomes a bit of an issue.  At least you could technically route everything to the bottom of the tower - where the have the power cable coming from.  I tend to agree that footprint is a much more noticeable issue than height, even if you had something stupidly tall like 3' but with a narrow footprint you could still put it the corner of your desk, or worst case, on the floor underneath it. 

I'm also seeing many more cases with a gpu riser and ribbon cable.  My only concern is that I've heard lower quality ribbon cables can be less effective, but I doubt a large case maker would run into that issue. 

Regardless of my preference for small form factor systems, I'm always curious to see new case designs.

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On 6/1/2017 at 0:26 PM, kuhla said:

Another AM4 ITX today.

source with pics - http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/computex-2017-gigabyte-shows-ryzen-mini-itx-motherboard.html

Gigabyte GA-AB350N

  • B350 chipset
  • four SATA3
  • M.2 slot
  • 802.11ac WiFi (1x1)
  • Realtek gig wired nic
  • Bluetooth 4.2
  • four USB 3.0 ports
  • two USB 3.1 ports
  • "Missing however is SPDIF optical audio output."
  • price and availability unknown

This has an official product page now: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-AB350N-Gaming-WIFI-rev-10#kf

Nothing too surprising on there. Everything was already covered on Guru3d. Except for the RGB RGBRGBFUSIONRGBRGB.

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On 5/31/2017 at 9:31 AM, kuhla said:

....and here is the double post I promised.

source with pics - http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asrock-ryzen-mini-itx-x370-motherboard,34590.html

ASRock X370 Gaming ITX/ac

  • AM4 socket
  • X370 chipset
  • one M.2 slot
  • four SATA
  • GbE and 802.11ac Wi-Fi controllers from Intel
  • I/O  two HDMI outputs, five USB 2.0 ports, six USB 3.0 headers (including one Type-C)
  • ALC1220 audio
  • available in the coming weeks for $150 – $160

That's pretty much the full combo.

This + 1600x is pretty much what I want right now.

This has an official product page now: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITXac/

No surprises. Most of it was already covered in the tomshardware post.

"8 Power Phase design" sounds about right.

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Not sure how I missed this but randomly came across this on Newegg today and I had thought I was pretty well aware of all the ITX case options out there. There is a surprising amount of versatility in this design. Removable dust filters (which can be moved externally for easier maintenence), 240 rad support along the top or tall cpu coolers up to 170mm (that's quite a bit), full size power supply (although looking at pics sfx would make life easier) and can handle both reasonably long and tall GPUs.

product page - http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/core-series/core-500

newegg - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352060&ignorebbr=1

tweaktown review - http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/7745/fractal-design-core-500-mini-itx-small-form-factor-chassis-review/index.html

kitguru review (shows off 240) - https://www.kitguru.net/components/cases/leo-waldock/fractal-design-core-500-review/?PageSpeed=noscript

The close comparison I would make would be to this ( https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119286&ignorebbr=1 ) which is a bit smaller but only 120 rad support and no removable dust filters.

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Quick check of where SFX and SFX-L power supplies are at sorted by price (high to low).....

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007657 8000 600014011 600014000 600014003&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&Order=PRICED&PageSize=36

The monster Silverstone SST-SX800-LTI 800W SFX-L sitting at the top of the price stack at $190. 120mm fan.
review - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=518

Silverstone in the next spot too with their SX700-LPT 700W at $170. 120mm fan.
review - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=480

Enermax Revolution SFX 650W next at $125. 80mm fan.
review - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=513

CORSAIR SF Series SF600 600W in position 4 at $120. 92mm fan.
review - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=477

Enermax Revolution SFX 550W at $110 in position 5. Same as 650W model.

Below position 5 you get into the under $100 units, much older units, lower wattage (like 450w and below), etc.

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newegg (AM4, new, newegg, itx) - https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=22&N=100007625 601292786 600009028 8000&IsNodeId=1&IsPowerSearch=1&OEMMark=N,0,1

The list is growing. Slowly but it is growing. I have to imagine Asus is going to join the club eventually. MSI too maybe. They have both done "higher end" Intel itx boards.

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review - http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=524

Ohhhhhhhhhh. SeaSonic finally moved to a more traditional (read: smaller) PSU sizes for their new line. They (and many others) have been making units longer then "standard" 150mm length for a few years now;  160 and 170mm has been the norm lately. I wonder if this will become a new pattern. Since size related stuff usually means size discussion which means ITX I'll post it in this thread....

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On 7/25/2017 at 9:27 AM, kuhla said:

malaphax posted about this previously but now they have official product pages:

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Shift x : http://phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift-X.html

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv Shift : http://phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-Shift.html

Different designs than most.

And now they are on newegg: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=phanteks+shift&N=-1&isNodeId=1

 

Price is about what I expected.

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http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mini-itx-asus-rog-strix-b350-i-gaming-motherboard.html

That's an odd setup.  Aside from the massive daughterboard for a built in soundcard, it doesn't even have SPDIF out?  It's also a B350 based board which does have some differences compared to the X370 boards. 
I'm glad to see some companies still putting out new boards, but the ryzen selection is still a bit crap.  I hope Ryzen 2 has a better selection than what's on offer. 

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I don't like it.

Why the super limited rear I/O?

No optical out. Lame.

Are graphics cards with backplates going to have issues?

Why B350 and not x370 if it's going to be >$200?

That power connector is in a bit of an odd place.

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I think that's due to 2 factors.  They're selling it bundled with their lighting/fan controller system: https://www.nzxt.com/product-overview/grid-plus-v3

They're also claiming it has some "adaptive" noise/temperature control, which I assume means they have a temp gauge and mic which influence the fan profiles.  They're also including 3 of their own fans. 
Sidenote: They also want an internet connection to use their adaptive fan thing

Quote
  PC with open internal USB 2.0 port and Windows® 10 operating system recommended. Internet connection is needed to download CAM.

Some CAM features require Internet access, a valid email address and acceptance of our current Terms of Service.

I think this is actually a decent looking case.  I'll add it to my short list when I consider upgrading in the future. 

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On 10/4/2017 at 4:49 PM, Malaphax said:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mini-itx-asus-rog-strix-b350-i-gaming-motherboard.html

That's an odd setup.  Aside from the massive daughterboard for a built in soundcard, it doesn't even have SPDIF out?  It's also a B350 based board which does have some differences compared to the X370 boards. 
I'm glad to see some companies still putting out new boards, but the ryzen selection is still a bit crap.  I hope Ryzen 2 has a better selection than what's on offer. 

 

On 10/5/2017 at 10:49 PM, kuhla said:

I don't like it.

Why the super limited rear I/O?

No optical out. Lame.

Are graphics cards with backplates going to have issues?

Why B350 and not x370 if it's going to be >$200?

That power connector is in a bit of an odd place.

https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/asus_rog_strix_x370-i_itx_am4_motherboard_has_been_pictured/1

So now we have the Asus ROG Strix X370-I ITX but all the things that I found somewhat questionable about the B350 version I find is identical on this too.

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That's a different board?  It even looks like they used the same promo photos (they did adjust the RGBullshit colors).

I'm still holding out some semblance of hope that the zen 2 release around february will have better matx and mitx support because it has been extremely poor on the original zen platform. 

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On 5/31/2017 at 9:18 AM, kuhla said:

Considering the posting I did yesterday in the other threads, I was not sure where to post this but this is probably the most appropriate place. There will probably be a double post later for the AM4 board.

source with pics - http://www.anandtech.com/show/11474/asrocks-x299eitxac-packs-core-x-into-miniitx

ASRock's X299E-ITX/ac

  • LGA2066 socket
  • Intel X299 chipset
  • 4 DDR4 SO-DIMM slots
  • 2 Intel gig nic
  • 6 SATA-6
  • 3 × M.2 (PCIe 3.0 x4 or SATA)
  • ALC1220 audio
  • I/O 6 × USB 3.0 Type-A, 1 × USB 3.1 Type-A, 1 × USB 3.1 Type-C
  • Dual band 802.11ac Wi-Fi + Bluetooth 4.2
  • MSRP $280 ~ $300

Very expensive but that is quite a feature list for ITX. The SO-DIMM is kind of..... I dunno.... that is the only way they were going to squeeze in 4 DIMM slots for quad-channel.

Newegg DDR4 SO-DIMM listing (filter: DDR-2666 and up only, price high-to-low): https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007609 600566557 601119460 600566556 600566558 8000&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&Order=PRICED&PageSize=36

ahaha holy shit $399 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157786

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Not really ITX specific but definitely SFF related.

product page - http://sliger.com/products/cases/
forum post - https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/kimera-industries-cerberus-the-18l-matx-usa-made-enclosure.454/page-12#post-7768

Looking at the Cerberus X, I have thought about that exact configuration before. With modern, beefy SFX/SFX-L PSUs you can absolutely use them with a full-size ATX setup (assuming your not loading it up with lots of HDDs, multiple GPUs, etc.) and if you are also willing to give up some of the expansion slots then you can put a 240/280 rad at the "bottom" of the case and still keep the overall volume pretty reasonable.

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