Jedi2155 Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I've seen that display for as low as $1000 and consider it be an excellent choice over a refurbished Acer X34. Running 120 Hz vs. 100 Hz, I've felt a slight difference but its rather minute. Still for Dell Quality, +new display and NATIVE 100 Hz, I definitely feel its worth the extra money for a refurbished display. If I was to get a new display now this would be my monitor of choice. On that note, I recently was able to get my 5+ year old Yamakasi Catleap Extreme 2B from 110 Hz to 120 Hz stable. There was a significant increase in scan lines however so in the end it keep my V-Sync more reasonable across my displays (60 Hz, 100 Hz, 110 Hz), I dropped it to 100 Hz actually and removed all scan lines.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I think the Dell QC alone is worth it, but the cherry on top being the 100hz native and the 120hz overclockable. It ticks nearly all the boxes of my perfect monitor. Considering the severe delays in the new panels coming out, I have a feeling this will be the pinnacle for a while. Honestly I'm wondering if/when the new panels come out they'll be using gsync 2.0 or a heavily upgraded version. We might even get a preview of that on the next generation nvidia GPUs coming up here soon. I've never bothered overclocking my Korean IPS. At this point I'm just running that thing to handle apps/notifications and occasionally browser windows or streaming content, nothing that requires 60hz+ I'll run that thing until it truly dies (been through 3 power supply units so far lol). I'm still curious how long it will take quantum dot backlighting and HDR to become mainstream. I guess there's some infighting over standards (what's new) so it might be a messy roll-out for a few more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted November 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 I don't see IPS moving much beyond 120 Hz (maybe 144 Hz) given the issues from obtaining faster than 6 ms GtG times. I haven't heard much about a new version of G-Sync or what in particular they might change (maybe a wider range of frequencies or address some of the low frequency (30-50 Hz) issues some have complained about (I haven't personally). Is your Korean IPS even overclockable? I understand a lot of the electronics in the other monitors will simply drop frames if it was even able to accept the higher input signal. My display has had 5 years of life (June 2012) on its original power supply so its been doing pretty well, although I did pay $550 for it.... Its still had a super cheap stand and only takes Dual DVI input (not even HDMI...) so I have some longevity issues with it. FYI Quantum Dot refers to the color filter film in front of the backlight rather than the light source itself. The back light remains LED although now blue rather than white. Reddit Review of AW3418DW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 If not IPS then IPS-like has absolutely reached 144hz. AHVA is basically IPS, if TFTcentral calls it practically the same then I'll take their word. The issue is I haven't seen AHVA in curved format, I have a feeling they're running into some problems with production. so that leaves the LG IPS panels for all the ultrawide curved monitors. I'm aware of what quantum dot refers to, and how it functions. Again I think manufacturers are playing with naming conventions. Better backlighting and proper HDR implementation are what I'm looking for, I don't care how they do it or what they call it. I also expect HDR to suffer from growing pains in the beginning, I've already seen some games/applications and even windows 10 throw a bit of a hissy fit when it's turned on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 On 11/10/2017 at 4:33 PM, Malaphax said: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_alienware_aw3418dw.htm .... It's also available - although I'm confused on the price. It says it lists for $1500 but then you go to dell's website and it's listing for $1150. I can't tell if it's already on sale or what, but that's a nice price for that display. On 11/13/2017 at 11:31 AM, Jedi2155 said: I've seen that display for as low as $1000 and consider it be an excellent choice.... ....and now it's even cheaper: $950 = http://deals.dell.com/mpp/productdetail/lws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 soo why is that 120 overclocked. do i expect them to fail ? or is it not designed to run @ 120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, T1no said: soo why is that 120 overclocked. do i expect them to fail ? or is it not designed to run @ 120. My feeling is that its the manufacturer trying to cover their ass. "95% of models will do 120 just fine but 5% might not for wahtever reason so just tell them it's overclockable to 120 and don't guarantee it". Here is a quote from the tftcentral review: "This accounts for variations in systems as the overclock is not guaranteed and there is a chance of some flicker occurring in some cases according to the user manual. Performance may vary from one graphics card to another and from one system to another. We found that even the maximum 120Hz overclock produced a stable image, with no artefacts or flicker, and most importantly no frames being dropped in our tests which was great news." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 The downside is I'm fairly certain if you lose the panel lottery and can't hit 120hz you're screwed, I doubt they'd allow an RMA for an overclocking issue. I guess it might depend on how nice the Dell service rep is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, kuhla said: ....and now it's even cheaper: $950 = http://deals.dell.com/mpp/productdetail/lws Some have said with the recent cashback site sales, you can get it down to $827. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted December 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 In regards to G-Sync vs. FreeSync Quote Both technologies have their advantages and disadvantages. It isn't just the module that monitor makers have to install, it is an entire quality control process and nVidia has turned down manufacturers from not meeting certain standards. Some examples: all G-Sync panels must have low framerate compensation; all G-Sync panels must be calibrated to the sRGB color gamut, all G-Sync panels need to have "frequency dependent variable overdrive" (prevents ghosting). The proprietary module does add a bit of cost; but it is also following nVidia's stringent standards that make G-Sync monitors so expensive.And AMD knows it. They realized that with FreeSync they were too open with the standard and early monitors suffered because of it. As a result, they tightened their grip and now with FreeSync 2 coming out, low framerate compensation is now a requirement "and AMD certifies displays for low latency and a minimum allowed dynamic color and brightness range that’s twice as vibrant as standard sRGB displays."I would give PC World's article on the two standards a read. nVidia monitors may be more expensive but they are for more than just the module. - quikslvr https://www.anandtech.com/show/12180/lg-27gk750fb-27inch-fhd-240-hz-freesync#comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 So I guess Acer put out an update to the X34, matching the performance of the Dell 34" AW3418DW. https://www.techspot.com/review/1560-acer-predator-x34p-monitor/ The update bumps the stock refresh rate to 100hz and gives 120hz as an overclockable option. They also made the curve more aggressive moving from 3800R to 1900R. If all this sounds like they just took the panel Dell was using and put it in their updated chasis, well I'm no expert but that's basically what it looks like they did. I'm not trying to crap on acer (I own an acer monitor) but unless this thing is a fair bit cheaper than the Dell (doubtful) I would opt for the Dell - especially taking into account their better customer service and warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted April 18, 2018 Report Share Posted April 18, 2018 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01JYT9L4I/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-106-002 I am unfamiliar with this model. Acer XR341CK bmijpphz 34" 21:9 Curved 3440x1440 IPS 75Hz VA panel $550 I guess if you are a strictly casual gamer, this seems like a decent setup for not a lot of money (compared to other 34", IPS, 1440p screens). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 It's been around since shortly after the standard X34. Although you mentioned IPS then VA in the tech specs but I'm pretty sure its just X34's that couldn't make the 100 Hz clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Jedi2155 said: It's been around since shortly after the standard X34. Although you mentioned IPS then VA in the tech specs but I'm pretty sure its just X34's that couldn't make the 100 Hz clock. Ahh yeah. Good catch. My mistake. Not sure why I did that. It is IPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824011229 Oh boy the leak rumors about the price were accurate 27" 4k res g-sync 120-144 hz refresh IPS panel HDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 I'd like to see an update to the alienware monitor (AW3418DW), just throw on HDR and bump it to 144hz out of the box. Speaking of which tftcentral mentioned in their panel update that something similar will be coming from both AUOptronics and LG. The AUOptronics version will be VA panel instead of IPS type. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/39.htm#panels_auo Honestly the alienware is really solid and considering the current display market it would be the top recommendation I would make to anyone willing to spend some serious cash on a nice monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 So I checked out the AW3418DW at microcenter and I was extremely surprised but the poor picture quality on it. I suspect it is probably just an abused display model but that one seriously had some picture quality issues (I did everything I could to try to see if it was a configuration issue but wasn't able to), but was probably related to the cable or PC card. Besides the poor representation on it, it generally is the best display outside of the X34, and current top pick for what you can buy in the market. I'm not a fan of the 4:2:2 reduced chroma for bandwidth with to make 4K 144 Hz displays though. They essentially pushed the display before all the required components were out to make such a display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 So those really fancy 4k HDR Gsync 144hz monitors are starting to hit shelves. Unfortunately the Acer version has some serious issues. The backlight bleed on the sides is terrible, you can actually see the individual zones turning on/off when moving a mouse cursor over a black/dark background. The build quality is fairly mediocre. The big issue is that it comes with an integrated fan that's loud as fuck, and if you use a vesa mount instead of the stand it comes with it block the vast majority of the intake causing it to spin at very high RPM. Here's a video from a german guy doing a bit of a review, I've timestamped the fan noise part (https://youtu.be/3YCldvmZ6QA?t=7m23s). Now I would love to believe that the Asus version will be higher quality, but considering the strong similarities between their displays and the acer displays, I have a feeling it won't be a night and day difference. Not that I had any intention of dropping $2,000 on a monitor, but it's sad to see these displays having such serious problems. That Alienware 34" ultrawide keeps looking better and better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 TFTcentral put up their review of the $2,000+ 4k HDR Gsync 144hz monitor (Asus Rog Swift PG27UQ). http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg27uq.htm They touch on quite a bit of the tech, including the new FALD backlighting tech which is interesting and impressive. They briefly mentioned the built in fan in the display and they claim it was quiet, but I'd still like to hear some recordings to determine just how quiet it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 Contrast, response time, input lag, etc. all look decent but the price and the fan really put me off even if I had a bunch of money to burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Viotek 34" 100 Hz 1440P Ultrawide for $450. Is this the low cost equivalent of an older generation 34"? https://slickdeals.net/f/12106441-34-viotek-gn34c-1440p-freesync-curved-gaming-monitor-for-449-99-with-free-shipping?src=frontpage Not familiar with Viotek but they have a reasonable US presence. https://viotek.com/about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 It's VA and freesync. It's also in the same vein as the korean imports like what several of us bought in the past. I expect that if it has an OSD menu it's total junk, I also see some comments about no vesa mounting brackets and I wouldn't be surprised to see it uses an external power brick. I'm really sensitive to color shift and so I know it's basically IPS (or AHVA) or bust, but if you're ok with a "cheap" ultrawide it's probably a decent deal. I'm more interested to see what the new LG "Nano-IPS" panel performance will look like. They're specifically not mentioning HDR, but it supposed to have impressive color performance. From everything I've read, even with the recent windows 10 update, HDR is still a mess on PC's and amusingly, consoles seem to be doing a much better job implementing features like that. Also the pricing looks high considering the features, unless this thing blows the current alienware model out of the water, I have a hard time believing it will sell for $1400. Supposedly TFTcentral will be getting one in for review sometime around November. http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/lg-34gk950g-with-120hz-ultrawide-nano-ips-and-g-sync/#more-108https://www.lg.com/hk_en/monitor/lg-34GK950G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted October 9, 2018 Report Share Posted October 9, 2018 VA response time is what worries me more than anything these days. Multiple tftcentral reviews paint the picture that they cannot truly handle >60 Hz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 10:07 PM, kuhla said: VA response time is what worries me more than anything these days. Multiple tftcentral reviews paint the picture that they cannot truly handle >60 Hz. Interested in those reviews. I was never aware that VA was considered worse than IPS in response times and always held them close to the same if not advantaged toward VA. Most LCD TV technologies these days are VA (due to their contrast ratio capabilities) which are already in the 120 Hz+ range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jedi2155 said: Interested in those reviews. I was never aware that VA was considered worse than IPS in response times and always held them close to the same if not advantaged toward VA. Most LCD TV technologies these days are VA (due to their contrast ratio capabilities) which are already in the 120 Hz+ range. VAs have GREAT contrast ratio but..... LG 32GK850Ghttp://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/lg_32gk850g.htm#gaming Measured G2G: 10.1ms (with overdrive) Samsung C32HG70http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_c32hg70.htm#response Measured G2G: 13.3ms Asus ROG Strix XG35VQhttp://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_strix_xg35vq.htm#response Measured G2G: 11.4ms (with overdrive) Acer Predator Z271http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_predator_z271.htm#gaming Measured G2G: 6.0ms (with overdrive) Special note: This is really fast for a VA but it has really high overshoot because of it. I would not trust a VA that claims it can handle 100-120-144 Hz refresh rate because the response times, even on very new gaming oriented screens, cannot keep up. By contrast both TN and IPS panels are regularly getting below 10ms for measured G2G with little to no overshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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