T1no Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 are there monthly fees for owning a tesla ? for services and stuff ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 On 6/23/2020 at 3:20 PM, T1no said: are there monthly fees for owning a tesla ? for services and stuff ? I ordered my vehicle on the last day for lifetime premium connectivity. Any new Tesla comes with 1 year online connectivity (although you can access most of those features via hotpsot) otherwise its $9.99 a month for the data to access Netflix/YouTube and other streaming services via the onboard system. Quote How long before geo-fencing is used to enforce vehicle speed limits or routing traffic? The latest software update since April began enabling speed limits to actual posted limits instead Speed Limit +5 when I enable autopilot on local roads with stop light recognition. Quote Do the customers understand what data Tesla is collecting? Can you opt out of certain data collection? I do, most don't. It is something you have to opt in/out of to enable certain functionality in the car. There's a opt out feature at anytime in the car. I pay for 3rd party service to access the Tesla API to view my data such as below (this was captured about 3 hours ago as my wife drove the vehicle to work) which illustrates some of the data Tesla is collecting. I have every location I've ever driven recorded for my car (Drive 2515) etc. Some example data. For training the machine learning algorithms in managing battery pack degradation in order model performance at the cell level (this is a key aspect that no other manufacturer knows how to do, and would require sub second data thus lots of logging), it requires some significant constant data capture not available at just maintenance cycles. Most people don't understand the importance of how data is used and big data or the temporal nature of some of the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 A nice effort I guess but I'm not impressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted July 8, 2020 Report Share Posted July 8, 2020 This is partly off topic, but since I mentioned earlier in this thread how much I loathe the idea of subscription services for vehicles - here's a great example of BMW being an asshole. Also note, that I guarantee someone will end up developing a OBD device/software to get around this type of bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 9, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 Here's the jailbreak for sale already for Tesla Model 3 performance. https://shop.electrifiedgarage.com/collections/performance-upgrades/products/eg-stage-1 That being said, this type of software based model is why Tesla is going to make bank for those who have been watching Tesla's business model. DLC makes tons of money and Tesla being a silicon valley is breaking the business model. I saw this coming from about 2-3 years ago but was waiting for forever for wall-street to see this huge opportunity for Tesla's bottom line. Its a classic tech method capture the market with cheap hardware then control it with software margins. It's crazy how many people overlooked this part of Tesla's business model. The entire point of the Model 3 cabin design, and autonomous driving was so that Tesla could free up people's time during commuting, add the "6th screen" via app stores/game downloads etc. and basically add an entire software layer to the vehicle buisness. The game updates I've been getting has been proof of concepts that's been deployed fleet wide to get people's taste for these types of technologies that Tesla has been secretly testing their business model. They have TONS of user data to see how often people would use apps on their car. For example when they released Fallout Shelter (from Bethesda) last month I ended up spending 3-5 hours in my garage playing the damn game in my car instead of going on my PC..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 I'm really trying not to derail this thread any further, but I want to address at least one point. Wall St. is collectively dumb. There are plenty of market theories (like the efficient market hypothesis) that say otherwise, but in my limited experience wall st. isn't smart and markets do not behave rationally - even when considering more recent theories like behavioral economics. I use that as a preamble for the following point. Multiple companies that use a SaaS/subscription model have seen tremendous growth in stock prices that go far beyond what their actual revenues support, some names I can list: AMZN, ADBE, NFLX, etc. What Wall St. hears when you say SaaS/subscription model is "unlimited growth" except, that's not actually true. For one, there's a finite number of people of this planet, and once you start cutting down the number of people who have the money to afford these services you can actually see some of these companies hit a wall in terms of new user growth (Netflix is basically at full saturation for the US and Canada) but Wall St. LOVES models to predict infinite growth and often overvalues these steady revenue streams that WILL GROW INDEFINITELY beyond any reason. I think Tesla (and other auto manufacturers) could see growth in terms of subscription services (I still personally find this loathsome and like Linus in the clip I posted, I hope it dies and I personally won't support this crap). It also still represents such a small portion of Tesla's revenues that they don't even break it out on their quarterly earnings. I suspect that it will take at least 5 years before it's split out as a unique revenue segment and even then, I still expect it will be dwarfed by their auto revenues (as of Q1'20 that was 82% of their total revenues) and solar/energy revenues. tl;dr - yea unlimited growth sounds cool, show me on a k1 and I'll be impressed - also stop trying to use wall st. as support for arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 9, 2020 Report Share Posted July 9, 2020 16 hours ago, Jedi2155 said: Its a classic tech method capture the market with cheap hardware then control it with software margins. I want to switch the narrative on this. I do not feel in most cases that this is some masterminded scheme by tech companies but is born out of shear necessity. More and more layers of abstraction are constantly being added everywhere for a variety of reasons which requires more and more software as the hardware gets "farther away" from the user. I see plenty of this in the enterprise IT space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 10, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 https://www.thedrive.com/news/34708/extremely-fast-ford-mustang-mach-e-prototype-spotted-drifting-like-mad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 Tino posted this in group chat. It's a little different. Seems nice. The heavy "base" Android integration is cool but a little scary too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 I like the front and overall look, but the back lights remind me a bit of a dodge charger. I still agree with Thomas about the lack of climate control knobs. The heavy android integration is honestly a smart design choice. Volvo doesn't have to dump a ton of money or time into handling the infotainment system, they're essentially farming it out to Google. Frankly most infotainment systems have been extremely lacking, it's why so many people want android auto and apple car play integration. I suspect that Volvo is looking at this as an evaluation step, if Google's system is good enough, they'll continue to use them as a vendor for infotainment, and if it doesn't work well, they'll have time to hire and create their own infotainment system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2020/07/21/all-electric-mustang-mach-e-1400-prototype.html 1400 horsepower seven motors rediculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 2021 Toyota Rav4 Prime Product page: https://www.toyota.com/rav4prime/ I feel there are a lot of things to like about this car. $39k Plug-in hybrid with 40 miles of electric only range. Combined with a full tank of gas means like 500+ mile total range. AWD 8 inches of ground clearance, should be able to go over most standard curbs 302 combined net horsepower Somewhere between 6-7 seconds 0-60 in hybrid mode The 2020 Rav4 has good crash ratings https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/toyota/rav4-4-door-suv/2020 Apparently they fixed the moose test fail with a software update that you can request from the dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 The importannce of battery cooling is a big deal in any EV, and why I still think Tesla's decision to go small form factor continues to be a genius move compared to the large format designs by EVERY other EV maker. Porsche Taycan here slowing down due to overheating... https://www.thedrive.com/tech/32362/watch-a-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-hit-top-speed-then-slow-to-save-its-batteries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 There are very few places besides a track that you can hit a car's top speed. Honestly I used to think the electronic top speed limiters were lame, but I don't think that hitting 150+ mph is a realistic goal unless you find a serious track or plan on renting a car in Germany and driving on the autobahn. Also, Tesla literally had the exact same thing happen to it... https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-performance-autobahn-high-speed-test-video/ Quote The car also had no problems hitting speeds beyond 140 mph (230 km/h). What really surprised the Tesla owner was that the Model 3 did not overheat at all. There were times when the Model 3 Performance seemed to be limiting its speed to around 120 mph, but after a few moments, the vehicle was ready to hit top speed once more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2020 23 hours ago, Malaphax said: There are very few places besides a track that you can hit a car's top speed. Honestly I used to think the electronic top speed limiters were lame, but I don't think that hitting 150+ mph is a realistic goal unless you find a serious track or plan on renting a car in Germany and driving on the autobahn. Also, Tesla literally had the exact same thing happen to it... https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-performance-autobahn-high-speed-test-video/ If you look into the details, Tesla has solved the overheating issue with additional software tweaks (Track Mode among other things). I was showing the guys during our drive on Saturday that i can overclock my AC compressor on the car to provide additional cooling . https://www.tesla.com/support/track-mode I absolutely agree that the use cases are extremely limited and really on applicability to very few instances. That being said, its just one of those halo-type features of "wouldn't it be cool...." and helps you sell the car even though you'd never use it. Its marketing and it works really well. It's part of the reason I upgraded to the performance package back in 2018 for an extra $5k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted August 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 To summarize: Polestar has a far better interior (and likely better build quality compared to US built model 3's) Fully loaded PoleStar in UK is cheaper than Model 3 (although its a lot cheaper for the Performance 3 in the USA) Tesla better in any other metric (driveability, range, usability etc.) My opinion, admirable attempt by Volvo and definitely a great vehicle, but it just can't compete against a company that is literally applying every edge of technology development the moment its developed onto its products. This results in a product that doesn't have the same refinement as the Polestar but literally the state of the art the moment you buy it (which has its own pros and cons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted September 3, 2020 Report Share Posted September 3, 2020 Apparently this was "announced" a few months ago but a lot of details have been released today. ITSAJEEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted September 5, 2020 Report Share Posted September 5, 2020 i like the front i dont like the back. interior looks interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kuhla Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 Double post. I think figured out what was happening in those previous videos with that really weird cover/wrap looking thing over the front of the car. It's mentioned in the Autogefühl video that Germany does not allow illuminated grill/logo on the front of the car. I bet those preview videos were on global/US spec models and for them to legally drive on the road they had to cover the lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 nice, i like the current vw design language. they retain the simple lines, timeless design. meanwhile over here on audi camp, grill fest hard lines fake vents fake news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted September 23, 2020 Report Share Posted September 23, 2020 You know what I want to see with all these native EV vehicles with their "skateboard flat" body designs and missing tunnel? Fold up seats like the Honda Fit. That design always made so much sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted September 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2020 Fold up, fold down, FOLD IT ANYWAY YOU LIKE IT. How about removable as well? I think that's the next stage..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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