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On 10/27/2021 at 2:23 PM, Jedi2155 said:

.....and cannot be driven hard shows itself with the MachE.

I really appreciate that reviewers are checking this and calling out companies on this especially if we are talking about cars advertised as "sporty".

At some point though I think there needs to be some kind of decision made on how performance is handled with EVs. I realize that we are getting to (or are already at) the point where you can "have your cake and eat it too" with an EV that can cover all the practical needs and also go fast but, as far as the "goes fast" part, that should not be on everything. I don't think most EVs should be capable of "driving hard". 

Model 3 + Performance pack is rated for 0-60mph in 3.1s. I would not feel comfortable with my mom driving that car. Just like I would not feel comfortable with my mom driving a car with 400+hp. And before anyone says it, no, different driving modes are not the fix for people like her which are not comfortable with a lot of technology.

I realize that what I am advocating for does probably mean artificial restrictions/governors for some vehicles but I don't think everyone driving super fast cars is safe.

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12 minutes ago, kuhla said:

Model 3 + Performance pack is rated for 0-60mph in 3.1s. I would not feel comfortable with my mom driving that car. Just like I would not feel comfortable with my mom driving a car with 400+hp. And before anyone says it, no, different driving modes are not the fix for people like her which are not comfortable with a lot of technology.

I realize that what I am advocating for does probably mean artificial restrictions/governors for some vehicles but I don't think everyone driving super fast cars is safe.

I mean governors have existed for quite a long time, especially on commercial vehicles.  I don't think there should be any issues with putting a reasonable governor on a vehicle.  If they're using the same powertrain you could be cheeky about it and have the governor removed in higher trims or with a "performance pack" upgrade or similar.  Grandma doesn't need 0-60 below 6 seconds.  Aren't a large number of cars electronically limited to 150mph?  Not sure why they even allow that high of top speeds outside of the autobahn or a racetrack, but there's not much difference in limiting a car's acceleration.  Plus, the people who would care about removing governors will flash ECUs or do some other hack to get what they want, just like people who were flashing ECUs 10 years ago for better performance. 

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It's a combo of top speed and acceleration but I'm more focused right now on the acceleration. Grandma is going to end up taking the car out of reverse, going into drive and ending up inside the pharmacy still buckled in. The grocery store vehicles don't need that type of acceleration. Leave the high performance to the vehicles designed and marketed just to the enthusiasts.

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10 hours ago, kuhla said:

It's a combo of top speed and acceleration but I'm more focused right now on the acceleration. Grandma is going to end up taking the car out of reverse, going into drive and ending up inside the pharmacy still buckled in. The grocery store vehicles don't need that type of acceleration. Leave the high performance to the vehicles designed and marketed just to the enthusiasts.

While I absolutely agree this is an issue - I can likewise envision grandma flooring it by accident on an turn and careening off into the sidewalk - the sad reality is that grandma really shouldn't be driving.  I don't want to go off topic talking about the need to retest older individuals, but we really need to get a handle on that as the baby boomers are all starting to hit that age. 
Likewise I think a 16 year old with a fresh drivers license will invariable abuse that type of acceleration and end up killing/injuring themselves and other people.  Drunk driving with that kind of performance is also a recipe for disaster. 

While I'm normally not a fan of artificial limitation put on things people own, I support the idea of governors/acceleration limits on electric cars because there are safety concerns that override the personal freedoms.  Auto manufacturers need to stop chasing 0-60 times on a family vehicle, instead focusing on a "good enough" performance metric and better safety or efficiency numbers.  MPG/Range isn't particularly sexy, but I'd rather see the focus shifted towards that. 

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