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My mom has become serious about having some emergency supplies and me being me, I am now researching the topic. We have kind of put this off too long. I have put together a very rough, early draft of what I am looking into with a lot of stream of thought and I will be refining it in this thread. You have been warned. I hope it is useful to some of you if you plan to do something similar.

 

I won't be discussing protection/firearms in this thread.

 

MOBILE Everything listed below this part is what I would want to put in a backpack (will research types) or carry it somehow on my person (vest?) if we have to move.
  • Updated: Backpack possibly Stansport Willow Internal Frame. I looked into ALICE packs initially but everyone who has actually worn one for more than 30 minutes seems to agree that there is far better backpacks available in the same price range. Probably won't research this too much more since this pack is available from many online retails for a reasonable price and is not complete garbage.
  • Knife or a multi-tool with a reasonably sized knife part on it or both. Will research.
    • Updated: Gerber Bullrush. Will continue to look at other options.
    • Update2: Leatherman Sidekick. I really wanted something with a strap cutter but there is just way too many compromises to get that feature and some of the mid-to-low Leatherman multi-tools offer more for your money. I also considered getting an additional dedicated strap cutting tool but I really can't plan for everything. I have limits on this project.
  • Hatchet that can double as a hammer. Will research.
    • Updated: Fiskar X7 or similar Fiskar hatchet, should be available at lowes/home depot. Probably won't do much more research on this.
  • Space bags possibly just for initially storing clothes.
  • Food. 4-5 days worth. This means minimal. Survival. High calories. Good for X years. Needs to be edible without cooking. Cans? Maybe. They can double as cups.
  • Food utensils. Fork, knife, spoon. Metal. Not plastic. Needs to be durable. In a small plastic container that won't poke out and break the backpack or other things around it. A plastic plate would probably be good although if the food is cans we can eat out of the cans and skip taking a plate.
  • Water. 1 week worth. This means minimal. Survival. Probably 0.5 liters a day would be enough to survive. Use multiple bottles. Refillable. Redundant.
  • Clothes. 1 full change. Sturdy, thick shoes possibly hiking kind of shoes or similar (will research cheap). Climate very hot to cold but not below freezing temperature. No snow. Very limited wet conditions/rain. Long sleeve shirts and pants only, nothing short. Hot weather it can be thin and light but still long.
  • Gloves. The kind that can be worked with. Not just for keeping hands warm.
    • Updated: I'm a sucker for mechanix gloves. Had a few already. Maybe some with some knuckle protection?
    • Update2: Mechanix Wear M-Pact should do the trick.
  • Soft hat with full brim or flap down the back.
  • Extra sunglasses. Maybe the kind that can fit over prescription glasses? Probably not.
  • Goggles of some kind. Thinking ash blowing in the middle of the day.
  • Spare prescription eyeglasses and hard case.
  • Sunblock. This may be optional.
  • Lip balm. 2 sticks is probably more than enough. Possible alternative would be small tube of Vaseline for multipurpose use.
  • First aid kit. Will have to research. A lot of different kinds.
  • Water Filtration/Cleaning.
  • Fire starting tool(s).
  • Medication. Prescription short term (maybe a month or less worth). Cough drops. Aspirin (not Advil, Motrin or Tylenol). Optional short term multivitamin, maybe one every other day for a few weeks.
  • Dust mask of some kind.
  • Flashlight. Small with long battery life using standard types of batteries like AA. Probably LED for maximum lasting time. Maybe a head-lamp of the same kind.
    • Updated: Possibly a Fenix LD22. Only 2 AAs, long life in low output mode. Less batteries to think about.
    • Update2: Fenix E25. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0091TRPVI/ It's a little cheaper. Has mostly the same features and is a small downgrade in a few others. Cutting back a bit overall.
  • Batteries. Only a small number of spares for the flashlight. Stick to a common standard like AA. Not for anything else.
  • Toilet paper. Could used for multiple things. 2 rolls should be good. Smushed at the bottom of the bag is fine.
  • Rope. How much? What kind? Para-cord? Will research.
  • Emergency radio. Crank type may be heavy and unreliable or easy to break. Batteries go quick though. NOAA capability a must. A lot of cheap garbage out there.
  • Can opener. Part of multitool or separate?
    • Updated: Probably going to keep this as separate. Light, small can openers will be much better to hold and do a much better job.
  • Map of local area. LA and OC area maybe. Probably don't need riverside, san diego but maybe just one general southern california map. Not sure, here is one on Amazon: www.amazon.com/McNally-Southern-California-Laminated-Easyfinder/dp/0528994972/
  • Compass.
  • Sharpie and a few small writing supplies. Very minimal.
  • Duct tape. May have many uses.
  • Cash. Small denominations.
  • Copy of a few important papers. Minimal. Stored in a zip-lock.
  • Medium sized pictures of immediate family members. 2-3 copies.
  • Bivvy bag? Maybe. Looks small. Could be portable sleeping bag alternative in a pinch. http://www.austinkayak.com/products/1967/Adventure-Medical-Kits-SOL-Emergency-Bivvy.html
  • Updated: Probably going to scratch the idea of a small survival handbook. I don't think I'm going to have time to read if it is really that serious of an emergency and our area is surrounded by miles and miles of urban area. A lot of these handbooks assume you are out in the wilderness.
  • Updated: Ground mats (think like a longish yoga mat) seem like a really good idea to help you sleep/sit on slightly gravely ground. May not research this and just buy the first cheap one I come across.

 

 

STATIONARY. Everything listed below this part is what I would want to keep at the house if we can stay for a while. There are some questions/notes that I need to give more thought to as I continue research.
  • Food. 2 weeks worth. This means minimal. Survival. High calories. Light. Good for X years. Costco option: http://www.costco.com/.product.11649759.html
  • Food utensils spares. Fork, knife, spoon. Metal. Not plastic. Needs to be durable.
  • Water. 2 weeks worth.
  • Camp stove. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004U8CP88/
  • Camp stove fuel.
  • Tent. Color? Size? Tube tent? Needs to be simple. This may be moved to the mobile section so that it can be taken along if we need to move. Will research more options. Tube tent: http://www.gofastandlight.com/Insulated-Aluminized-Survival-Tube-Tent/productinfo/T-S-INSTUBE/
  • Sleeping bags or mats. This may be moved to the mobile section so that it can be taken along if we need to move. Will research more options.
  • Potassium iodide? Questionable. http://www.amazon.com/sallyashop-IOSAT-Radiation-Protection-Tablets/dp/B00ACVLAOC/
  • Shovel. For burying feces, rotting food or people.
    • Updated: Probably no need to buy this since we have various shovels around the property already that could be used.
  • Hand truck/moving dolly. If we can get most of the supplies in plastic containers that fit on a dolly and a strap over it then those supplies become a bit mobile too. Solid rubber tires to avoid inflation problem. This can also be used as an impromptu wheelchair if the person is sitting on a box.
  • Trash bags. Just a few.

 

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A couple of points.

 

Best multitools: http://www.leatherman.com/s/leatherman/multi-tools

 

The backpack idea is pretty solid. I personally have a basic survival kit (actually 2) in my car. I can think of precious few times I won't have fairly immediate access to my car. I also generally carry a knife or multitool on my person.

 

As far as home supplies are concerned, my family has also been replenishing our older earthquake supplies with new sets of canned goods and water. Home supplies can be a bit more lax in the sense that you'll often have access to utensils, tools etc. I'd be more concerned with food and the camp stove. Also remember that the supplies should be located somewhere "safe" your stand alone garage might be a safer area than your house, in the event of an earthquake there is very little roofing on a garage compared to the rest of the house. Personally our stores are located under a relatively sturdy bench in the garage in their own hard plastic containers. This is so that in the event of a collapse we could dig out the supplies without too much trouble.

 

I'll probably piggyback onto your thread and your research.

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hmm i was thinking about this the other day just in case everything goes to shit; mainly communications. not such a bad idea to have a default meeting point just in case we cant find each other O_o

on top of the obvious place of course. home/work ..

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As far as a first aid kit, here is my list of must haves, I wouldn't buy a premade kit as they are expensive and you'll want more than one kit handy...

Tourniquet

http://www.amazon.com/Sterile-Elastic-Bandages-BANDAGE-ELASTIC/dp/B00962CICQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343763&sr=8-2&keywords=esmark

 

Or go with an ace bandage and you can use it as a tourniquet, I'd have both.

 

Betadine

http://www.amazon.com/Betadine-Solution-16-Fluid-Ounce/dp/B002C2R98U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343826&sr=8-2&keywords=betadine

 

Gauze

http://www.amazon.com/All-purpose-Sterile-Sponge-Ply-BX/dp/B0006GDADM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343881&sr=8-1&keywords=gauze

 

Gelfoam (for bleeding)

http://www.amazon.com/9031508-Gelfoam-Hemostatic-Gelatin-Pharmaceutical/dp/B004YNOVY0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344101&sr=8-1&keywords=gelfoam

 

You could use silver nitrate sticks or one of those handy disposable cautery pencils (overkill IMO)

http://www.amazon.com/Hareline-Cautery-High-Temp-Misc/dp/B00A31FQXC/ref=pd_sim_sg_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1BSRS6XWKY5FTNNYQ3MN

 

Transpore tape

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Nexcare-First-Aid-Transpore-Clear/dp/B002YMOGKW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344630&sr=8-7&keywords=transpore

 

Micropore tape for people who don't like plastic

http://www.amazon.com/Micropore-Paper-Tape-White-Yds/dp/B000GR0156/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344679&sr=8-1&keywords=paper+tape

 

Bandage scissors are a must

http://www.amazon.com/Clauss-Titanium-Bonded-Bent-Snips/dp/B000XB4U0C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344576&sr=8-4&keywords=bandage+scissors

 

Last but not least nitrile gloves

http://www.amazon.com/Dynarex-Nitrile-Gloves-Heavy-Duty-Powder/dp/B002UFLQ60/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344750&sr=8-1&keywords=nitrile+gloves

 

On the field sterility isn't as important as just trying to mend the wound. Although, betadine is a great germ killer.

 

Hemostat, needle holders, and suture (overkill as well, must know what you're doing)

I'll put together a bad ass list if you guys want.

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I meant to reply to this thread sooner. I will be updating it today. I have narrowed down a few more items.

 

 

As far as a first aid kit, here is my list of must haves, I wouldn't buy a premade kit as they are expensive and you'll want more than one kit handy...

Tourniquet

http://www.amazon.com/Sterile-Elastic-Bandages-BANDAGE-ELASTIC/dp/B00962CICQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343763&sr=8-2&keywords=esmark

 

Or go with an ace bandage and you can use it as a tourniquet, I'd have both.

 

Betadine

http://www.amazon.com/Betadine-Solution-16-Fluid-Ounce/dp/B002C2R98U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343826&sr=8-2&keywords=betadine

 

Gauze

http://www.amazon.com/All-purpose-Sterile-Sponge-Ply-BX/dp/B0006GDADM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393343881&sr=8-1&keywords=gauze

 

Gelfoam (for bleeding)

http://www.amazon.com/9031508-Gelfoam-Hemostatic-Gelatin-Pharmaceutical/dp/B004YNOVY0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344101&sr=8-1&keywords=gelfoam

 

You could use silver nitrate sticks or one of those handy disposable cautery pencils (overkill IMO)

http://www.amazon.com/Hareline-Cautery-High-Temp-Misc/dp/B00A31FQXC/ref=pd_sim_sg_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1BSRS6XWKY5FTNNYQ3MN

 

Transpore tape

http://www.amazon.com/3M-Nexcare-First-Aid-Transpore-Clear/dp/B002YMOGKW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344630&sr=8-7&keywords=transpore

 

Micropore tape for people who don't like plastic

http://www.amazon.com/Micropore-Paper-Tape-White-Yds/dp/B000GR0156/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344679&sr=8-1&keywords=paper+tape

 

Bandage scissors are a must

http://www.amazon.com/Clauss-Titanium-Bonded-Bent-Snips/dp/B000XB4U0C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344576&sr=8-4&keywords=bandage+scissors

 

Last but not least nitrile gloves

http://www.amazon.com/Dynarex-Nitrile-Gloves-Heavy-Duty-Powder/dp/B002UFLQ60/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393344750&sr=8-1&keywords=nitrile+gloves

 

On the field sterility isn't as important as just trying to mend the wound. Although, betadine is a great germ killer.

 

Hemostat, needle holders, and suture (overkill as well, must know what you're doing)

I'll put together a bad ass list if you guys want.

 

Hmmm. Thank you for the list For this use I think less is more and I also don't want to be in a position where I have stuff I don't know how to use and I think it is dangerous to think "well maybe someone else will know how to use it" because that really cannot be counted on.

 

What are your thoughts on CAT tourniquet? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_18?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=combat+application+tourniquet&sprefix=combat+application%2Caps%2C191&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Acombat+application+tourniquet

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Update first post and it should be obvious what I changed because I highlighted it. Not too much more to research and then I will start buying items. I have set a very rough budget for this but I'm trying not to be too restrictive while staying within reason for the potential of how important these supplies could be.

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That cat is a super idea. I like it. Also, I get the whole idea about not getting too much stuff you don't know how to use. At the very least betadine should be a part of your kit though.

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A few updates made to the original post. Will start buying things probably this weekend.

 

Overall I've downgraded a few things trying to make sure I don't get gear/quality obsessed when factoring against possible scenarios we could be faced with (no matter the situation, we are in the middle of an urban center).

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For string, go for paracord. I actually got a few firesteel from here: http://firesteel.com/

Hmm... they used to sell paracords too. May have gotten rid of them; I can't find it on the site.

 

 

I also keep a small tin box filled with oiled cotton balls for initial fuel. Works best with firesteel.

 

You may also want a travel kit with toothbrushes, small toothpaste, floss, nail clippers and a sewing kit.

 

 

Maybe even study to get a ham radio license for emergency communication?

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Bought a number of items online. Couple of notes:

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Had a chance to play with the flashlights which came in today. Quality is decent which is what I expected. It throws a little farther than I expected. My mom was very impressed since she has never used a decent quality flashlight before so this is brighter, smaller, lighter and more durable than anything she has had before. I actually may end up buying a few more because she wants some for around the house.

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Had a change to play with the firesteel sticks. I will need to pack a little kindling since, unlike a match, it needs something else to catch to get the fire started but it throws a lot of sparks, more than I expected, so that is good.

 

Next big focus will be first aid supplies.

 

A lot of the rest of the items are going to be bought offline at local stores and take from my closet/supplies at home.

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I previously mentioned that I bought this....

 

" ILBE Main Pack USMC Generation 2, Sold by Allegheny Surplus Outlet, Inc., Condition: Used - Good"

 

....it arrive today and the pack is in better condition than I expected for just "used - good" (there is a higher rating) and for lack of a better adjective, it is substantial. Material feels thick and strong. Buckles, so many buckles. I'll fill it this weekend to see how it feels with a bunch of weight.

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bumping this thread back to the top

I'm still going to use the reference list in the OP

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