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http://rt.com/news/203579-nato-us-mistral-france/

 

US Congressman suggest that NATO buys 2 helicopter carriers destined for Russia....

 

The idea of buying the Mistral vessels is “absurd from a military point of view” because the ships are“custom-built in accordance with Russian standards, which makes their use by NATO highly problematic and will require additional, expensive refitting,” he stressed.

The source has called the proposal by the US senators “a purely political project, in which NATO as an organization is physically unable to participate.”

“The main irony in this situation” is that even if several NATO member states will be able to allocate the necessary funds and purchase the ships – it’s not France, but Russia, which will get the money, he said.

“The contract has been paid and the redemption price will go to Moscow,” which today is “probably”more interested in money than in Mistral and “does not look too concerned” about the problem with delivery.

"The fact that this logic isn’t obvious to the US congressmen may only cause disappointment among allies and laughter among the Russians,” he concluded.

 

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Interesting:

 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/a-wwii-propaganda-campaign-popularized-the-myth-that-carrots-help-you-see-in-the-dark-28812484/?no-ist

 

http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-most-mind-blowing-tricks-used-during-any-war

 

Making people believe that eating carrot improves eye sight. And my mom, still keeps telling this (carrots are good for eyes, but has no correlation with improved eye sight).

During World war II, there were couple of developments in Britain:

1. Britain imported about 70% of its food items from elsewhere (source from link below), while it had an abundance of carrot grown domestically. A food shortage due to naval blockade was imminent. But how to encourage people to eat carrot?

2. Britain's RAF during the war, had developed a superior radar so that now they could work well even in dark, but the invention was kept under wraps for obvious reasons. RAF were then reeling with the problem of sudden surge in identification and hit rates of German aircrafts, especially during night time. Also Britain with help from Poles had cracked the enigma (the encryption device that Germans felt were unbreakable) (Vikram Gunasekar's answer to Who are some little known people that changed the world?) and reading almost all their communications and hence were aware of every single German fleet movement. They even had to restrain themself from bringing down few targets even when they perfectly knew where they were. So how to take advantage of these 2 technology breakthroughs without causing suspicion among Germans?

They decided to kill these 2 birds with one stone - Through a massive propaganda that carrot improves eye sight during black outs. This while encouraging people to eat carrot, also explained the improved hit rate. Pilots were supposedly asked to keep munching away carrots which improved their eye sight in dark to extreme levels.

Apparently Germans and the whole world took the bait and believed it. And a lot of people continue doing it till date.

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There is some science behind it but it's real thin. The rod cells in your eyes are entirely responsible for night vision. Rhodopsin is a light-sensitive receptor protein found in the rods. That protein requires retinal, a form of vitamin A. Carrots are high in vitamin A so there are the two dots to connect but there are a lot of dots in between. Very few people are deficient in vitamin A and there are a number of other vitamin A sources and if you have a crappy diet then even if you high dose vit A the uptake will be bad so it won't make much difference.

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The point of the article is the choice of words that most people use. This is a good quote from the smithsonian.

 

Somewhere on the journey the message that carrots are good for your eyes became disfigured into improving eyesight

 

That is where the propaganda lied. If it was too false, then the Germans wouldn't believe it because they have plenty of scientists too. But it had to be such a slim truth where the line be lie and truth would be blurred such as in this case.

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So what you are saying is despite double checking wikipedia, I've still let 1940s British propoganda get me worked up into promoting carrots?

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Maybe :P . I actually couldn't tell from your post because you only presented facts about what it does do. The tone of how you presented the facts though sounded like you believed that the science says "well it can improve eye sight, but only very limited individuals." That is true but belays the fact carrots provides nutrients good for eye health but generally does not improve eye sight except in the circumstances you showed but the propaganda stated that it would improve for everyone.....

 

if you have a crappy diet then even if you high dose vit A the uptake will be bad so it won't make much difference.

 

Reading into that, I'm not sure if you still had the assumption that it would be beneficial for "everyone" versus just some people.

I'm really peeling into onion thin assumptions in reading your thoughts :D . THE BRITISH PROPAGANDA EFFORT STILL AFFECTS 21st CENTURY GERMANS.

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I'm going to try and keep this as non-political as possible. 

Germany underspends their NATO target of 2.0% GDP.  Their population generally does not like spending on the military.  However, they've underspent to such levels that they cannot maintain military readiness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/05/german-air-force-unable-train-pilots-shortage-planes/

As the largest economy in the EU and 2nd largest in NATO, it's tough to look at Germany's unwillingness to spend as reasonable, especially with the rise in Russian agression (there's still fighting in Ukraine) and China's rise on the global stage. 
The new defense minister of Germany Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, is widely seen as the successor for Merkel, and I'm curious what (if anything) she'll do regarding this problem. 

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4 hours ago, Malaphax said:

I'm going to try and keep this as non-political as possible. 

Germany underspends their NATO target of 2.0% GDP.  Their population generally does not like spending on the military.  However, they've underspent to such levels that they cannot maintain military readiness.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/05/german-air-force-unable-train-pilots-shortage-planes/

As the largest economy in the EU and 2nd largest in NATO, it's tough to look at Germany's unwillingness to spend as reasonable, especially with the rise in Russian agression (there's still fighting in Ukraine) and China's rise on the global stage. 
The new defense minister of Germany Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, is widely seen as the successor for Merkel, and I'm curious what (if anything) she'll do regarding this problem. 

So I agree in the sense that (1) they promised to hit that number publicly (NATO) and (2) because they (NATO) seem to rely very heavily on the idea of the US always being there in the case something really goes wrong which feels like a very unhealthy way of thinking (every country should consider self sufficiency a bit more in this ultra-globalized world we live in imho).

That being said, Germany's spending (in USD, not GPD%) as recently as 2007 was in the same ballpark as China and Russia ( https://ourworldindata.org/military-spending ). I think conventional warfare is just unlikely to happen these days. Looking into the future it would seem more effective to divert funding into counter-terrorism, cyber-defense, COIN, etc.

Looking even beyond that, military operations have an environmental cost in terms of the production and use of military equipment which gets more and more "expensive" to justify every year.

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