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The question is reference cooler versus 3rd party design. Here is an eVGA GTX 670 and a 970 cooler, neither of which has the vapor chamber despite the reference design using one.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1528067/should-i-put-a-gtx-970-reference-cooler-on-a-gtx-670#post_23233765

 

This makes me think the reference design will have superior cooling performance with a single fan than the cheaper multi-fan traditional heat sink of the 3rd party cards. My 970 and my 670 is stock right now although I may consider overclocking it now since I would like a little more performance due to extra monitors I have now.

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I believe this is standard for GPUs now.

 

1070 won't have it. GTX Titan and 980 Ti had vapor chamber but nothing below it (like the 980, 970, etc.). It's pretty much just the very best cards each generation that seem to get it.

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I did a quick google and saw some mixed information on this:

One of the key ingredients to the GTX 970 and 980 is their high performance vapor chamber cooling.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-and-980-reference-review,3.html

I also saw anandtech mention that they wished the 980 had a vapor chamber:

However in one of the only major deviations from the earlier GTX Titan cooler, at the base NVIDIA has dropped the vapor chamber design for a simpler (and admittedly less effective) heatpipe design that uses a trio of heatpipes to transfer heat from the GPU to the heatsink.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8526/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-review/8

 

I'd probably go with anandtech and assume kuhla is right about only the top line cards coming with vapor chambers. The promotional material from Nvidia has mentioned the new vapor chamber design on the gtx 1080.

http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-gtx-1080

 

Remember that the reference 1080 will come with a $100 premium tied to it, which frankly does not make sense. I sincerely doubt that the reference cooler would have a substantially better thermal profile than most third party coolers, but it does tend to be a very good blower design.

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From what I could tell, Nvidia has been providing vapor chambers in their reference cards since the GTX 580. The 3rd party vendors tended not to include this due to cost or they would be an advertisement point as vapor chambers are more expensive to manufacture but can provide > 200 W of cooling capacity (I think it was like 250w). You're probably right in terms of it not being "substantially" better but it is better.

 

This eVGA card utilizes heatpipes rather than vapor chambers.

http://hothardware.com/news/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-superclocked-avx-30-edition-and-gtx-1080-sli-sneak-peek

 

It is likely that if the card does not advertise vapor chambers it will not have them.

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i know we talked about this before but does the founder ed worth the 100 bucks ?

 

i saw some one post this.

 

Basically this. Only consider the Founder's Edition if:

a) You need a blower style card.

B) You MUST have it day one.

c) You genuinely really like the aesthetic.

Beyond those three you're better off waiting for board partner offerings..

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i know we talked about this before but does the founder ed worth the 100 bucks ?

 

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Some gtx 1080 card photos are starting to come out from various OEMs.

 

Gigabyte's new card uses a different cooler than their old tripple fan windforce cooler, it looks to be a little shorter than their old cards, but it does have an extended pcb

 

Asus Strix card, looks like it's a 3 slot solution, seems fat and unnecessary.

 

Zotac has a more standard design and a fat obnoxious design as well:

 

EVGA's superclocked card:

 

Most of these will likely be on display at computex (May 31st) so I expect we'll get some additional details and probably some reviews soon afterwards.

 

.....a few more details on some of those: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10360/zotac-and-evga-reveal-custom-geforce-gtx-1080-designs

 

As usual, and for lack of a better term, EVGA's solution seems the most "professional".

 

http://i.imgur.com/ZcYOnwO.jpg

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Just to note, the EVGA GTX 1080 SC is currently listed at $649, which is still $50 over "MSRP" but $50 below the founders edition. I'm not liking this trend, because this isn't even a higher model EVGA card and it's got a decent premium above MSRP. I hope that this premium doesn't make its way onto other cards but I have a sinking feeling we're going to see it for the first 3-4 months.

 

EDIT: Also fuck lighting systems being put onto everything. I thought we moved away from that trend a while back. I mean I've seen lighting systems on memory, motherboards, GPUs, fans, and every peripheral known to man. It's one thing to have some lighting on a keyboard, but why the hell does every single component need leds strapped to it.

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Here's a great breakdown of the different cards currently being offered by OEMs

http://videocardz.com/60496/custom-geforce-gtx-1080-roundup

 

Also I'm glad to see stuff like this with an integrated water cooling solution: I would love to run a card like this but I'm out of room in my current case. I'm almost tempted to do something silly and change out my case to accommodate something like this.

MSI-GeForce-GTX-1080-Seahawk.jpg

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Just to note, the EVGA GTX 1080 SC is currently listed at $649, which is still $50 over "MSRP" but $50 below the founders edition. I'm not liking this trend, because this isn't even a higher model EVGA card and it's got a decent premium above MSRP. I hope that this premium doesn't make its way onto other cards but I have a sinking feeling we're going to see it for the first 3-4 months.

 

The EVGA card has an (assuming) quality non-reference cooling solution and a +100 Mhz core overclock.

 

Just like with last-gen, I'm expecting only stock clocked and standard blower coolers to actually launch at MSRP.

 

The last two gens have actually launched at MSRP and then it went up so some of the earlier adopters got a good price.

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I think early adopters won't be getting a good break this time around. You have Nvidia purposefully charging a $100 premium on their reference cards, and you have the OEMs looking like they're willing to bank on that and charge a decent margin over MSRP and chalk it up to "non-reference coolers" and changes to the PCB and power connectors. I'm wonder if when all is said and done we're going to see OEMs charging pretty big premiums over the MSRP and you'll end up with cards going for $700+ which is starting to creep into 980ti & titan price points.

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To be fair the founder's edition 1070 would be closer in price to your 980 when you bought it.

 

I think there are some other takeaways from this as well. The 1080 may have a large price premium over the 1070 but it does also provide an even larger performance gain than the 980 did over the 970.

From just running some quick numbers, across: Witcher 3, Division, and Battlefront at 1440p the 980 had a 12% performance gain over the 970.

Whereas the 1080 has 18%, 15% and 19% performance gains over the 1070.

That performance premium is looking closer to 20% than the previous generations 12%

 

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soo unless youre gaming @ 4k youre prob better off with the 1070 and saved a few hundy huh ?

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It's always been a better cost/benefit to go with nvidia's "mainstream" card. The 970 was a much better value for money than the 980 and likewise the 1070 will be a much better value than the 1080.

 

No single card can properly game at 4k yet. So that's not an issue.

If you're looking at 1440p gaming, both the 1070 and 1080 do very well.

If you're gaming at 1080p, then I would honestly suggest looking around on forums/ebay for used 980's and 980ti's. There will be several people upgrading who will want to offload their older cards for cheap and you'd still be getting plenty of performance. There's almost no reason to upgrade to this current gen for 1080p gaming, unless you feel the need to have everything maxed out at 144hz constantly.

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I think there are some other takeaways from this as well. The 1080 may have a large price premium over the 1070 but it does also provide an even larger performance gain than the 980 did over the 970.

 

From just running some quick numbers, across: Witcher 3, Division, and Battlefront at 1440p the 980 had a 12% performance gain over the 970.

Whereas the 1080 has 18%, 15% and 19% performance gains over the 1070.

 

That performance premium is looking closer to 20% than the previous generations 12%

 

HardwareCanucks mentioned that in their conclusion.

 

source - http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/72689-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review-19.html

 

 

Naturally the GTX 1070 doesn’t come close to beating the GTX 1080 and the gap here is larger than the one between the GTX 980 and GTX 970.

 

Maxing out settings at 1440p in current games looks like that, even with a 1070, is going to give you 60-ish fps. I still don't think 4K gaming at high settings is doable.

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I'm considering this Gigabyte GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming card. It has a 3x 100mm stacked fan design that I find very interesting concept in improving airflow.

 

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5920#kf

 

Check out their double fin design and graphic on how air flow is improved versus just adjacent fans. It's also the highest base clock I've seen out of any OEM card and i'm too lazy to overclock lol.

 

Core
Boost: 1936 MHz / Base: 1784 MHz in OC mode
Boost: 1898 MHz / Base: 1759 MHz in Gaming mode

 

Versus eVGA:

Boost: 1860 MHz / Base: 1721 MHz

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6286-KR

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Most people are expecting this will blow out the 480 that AMD just released. If it does that with only a ~$50 price difference AMD is going to once again be in the shit.

I'm glad that Nvidia seems to be doing a better job of targeting the mid-range, I feel like past generations they seemed to focus very heavily on the high end and often lost ground to AMD in the mid to low end.

 

Overall it looks like the mid-range cards this generation are very solid price/performance. Great time for people who are just starting to get into PC gaming to build a nice rig for a relatively low cost.

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I'll put some stock in them, even though it looks like they are part of the press kit, since the technical info we have about the card paints it as a bit more powerful than the 480. It does cost more though.

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The additional cost is $50 over the 4gb version of the 480 and $10 over the 8gb version. The closer comparison would probably be the 8gb version.

Also while I understand AMD sticking to multiples of 2 for memory bandwidth, I also feel like Nvidia's choice to cut the memory down to 6gb and save a bit on production costs is the smarter one. Especially considering this card is realistically targeted towards 1080p gaming.

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Nice breakdown of the Vulkan engine vs OpenGL in Doom (2016).

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-doom-vulkan-patch-shows-game-changing-performance-gains

 

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2510-doom-vulkan-vs-opengl-benchmark-rx-480-gtx-1080

vulkan-doom-1080p-percent.png

 

Short story is AMD gets huge benefits, old Nvidia cards get almost no benefits, new Nvidia cards get some benefits but not nearly as much as AMD hardware.

This is realistically the only thing that might help bring AMD cards to any semblance of parity again Nvidia. However I've heard that the Nvidia solution for Vulkan is not complete, Nvidia doesn't currently have Asynchronous compute working properly and for GPU bound games that can lead to a healthy performance increase.

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Looks like the 1060 reviews are out. The short answer is that the 1060 matches very closely to the 980 in most games at 1080p. It starts to lose ground at higher resolutions.

It also tends to beat the 480 on DX11 games, but begins to lose on DX12 and gets smashed on any vulkan games (basically Doom at this point).

 

It's looking pretty rough for AMD again.

 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/19/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_founders_edition_review/1

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1060_review,1.html

 

List of all the reviews: http://videocardz.com/62364/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-reviews

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