Jump to content
 
Sign in to follow this  
kuhla

AMD Ryzen (Zen)

Recommended Posts

"Biostar shows off first Mini-ITX X370 AM4 motherboard"
source 1 - https://www.kitguru.net/components/motherboard/matthew-wilson/biostar-shows-off-first-mini-itx-x370-am4-motherboard/?PageSpeed=noscript

source 2 with pics - https://www.computerbase.de/bildstrecke/77126/1/

What? The x370 chipset can fit in ITX form factor? So what is the point of the x300 from AMD's own roadmap?!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"AMD Announces Ryzen 5 Lineup: Hex-Core from $219, Available April 11th"

article - http://www.anandtech.com/show/11202/amd-announces-ryzen-5-april-11th

 

No surprises but if it's on Anandtech I consider it official.

 

I still feel the Ryzen 5 1600X for $249 with 6 cores/12 threads and 3.6/4.0Ghz is one of the more uniquely positioned items and I'm curious to see where it falls in the benchmarks. For benchmarks that don't take much advantage of additional threads it should match the 1800x since it has the same clock frequency but then for multi-threaded applications it should be able to compete with the 7700k purely because of thread count.

 

Based on that "supported" memory image, you are not exactly left with the sexiest choices as far as memory: https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007611%20600006072%20600531811%20601110215%20600528731%208000%20600006159%20600373147%20600485925%20600521526%20600546709&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&PageSize=96&order=PRICED

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yea I've seen a few people mention the extreme sensitivity of Ryzen to memory clocks. I immediately thought, "I wonder how much of a premium memory makers will start charging once this becomes widely known."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"Tips for Building a Better AMD Ryzen System"

article - https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/13/tips-for-building-a-better-amd-ryzen-system

 

This is weeks old but somehow I've never come across it while following AMD news. Some good info in there from a semi-official source about what is possible and what is not especially with memory.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

While reading yet another thread discussing memory on Ryzen someone linked to MSI's website which appears to be a fantastic resource for finding out what memory is single vs double sided and what chips they are using:

 

https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK.html#support-mem

 

Normally you have to go on guesswork, pictures and people reporting it individually.

 

That MSI table is even sort-able and filterable :o

 

As for the list itself, it's not quite everything but it's a lot.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four

 

Briefly skimmed through Anandtech's review of the 1600X and 1500X, it looks pretty solid on CPU heavy tasks, but still loses out clock for clock to Intel (and in most gaming scenarios).

 

HardOCP will be doing a full gaming test in the coming weeks and don't worry they got your 2600k covered for proper comparison purposes...

https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-ryzen-7-real-world-gaming.1928947/page-2#post-1042927349

 

I'd say this release has gone fairly well for AMD, now they just need to improve on their relationships with board partners and release updates to the UEFI for various boards.

 

If someone forced me to upgrade today, I would have a hard time picking AMD's underdeveloped ecosystem over Intel's mature/robust offerings. That being said, I hope AMD and their partners continue to push out better boards, because they've narrowed the gap to Intel far better than just about anyone could have expected.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the wider gamer circles, AMD has been competitive enough in that many people who want to just stick it to Intel now have a reasonable alternative to choose. I've seen a fair number of gamers who bought AMD soley because they continue to have the reputation of being better for cheaper despite not always being the case.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think that mindset only goes so far. There are plenty of people who have fond memories of when AMD held the performance crown and want to support the company, but almost none of those people were willing to live with bulldozer as their CPU. Since the gap is now much closer, I have a feeling plenty of gamers are willing to jump ship to AMD even if it means a slight performance loss in certain games - and even then it's mostly in 1080p.

 

I'm more concerned about the board partners and the heavy reliance on fast/compatible memory kits. If they iron out some of the details I would absolutely go with AMD.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ryzen 5 has interesting stuff. I think 1600x is in a unique spot.

 

AM4 motherboard market still kind of scares me.

 

Memory compatibility/speed stuff still has me shaking my head. It's a step backwards.

 

Intel has the better platform this generation hands down. AMD cannot fix all the issues with AM4.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Considering how old those processors are the fact that they're including anything from that line is... impressive.

 

I know I've mentioned this before, but you're probably running the oldest hardware and most in need of an upgrade. But if you had to spend money on an upgrade I still think you'd see much more benefit from sinking money into a GPU than a full CPU/mobo/memory upgrade.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Considering how old those processors are the fact that they're including anything from that line is... impressive.

 

I know I've mentioned this before, but you're probably running the oldest hardware and most in need of an upgrade. But if you had to spend money on an upgrade I still think you'd see much more benefit from sinking money into a GPU than a full CPU/mobo/memory upgrade.

 

I have directly observed times when I have been CPU limited (not just in GW2) and I have my suspicions that I have been memory limited at times too (8 GB) so I think I would directly benefit from those upgrades but right now I feel like the market is in a little bit too much flux for me to make a good decision.

 

On the AMD side:

I'm fine with going for a 1600x as a CPU but the motherboard and memory market scares me. 1800x is more money than I would want to spend on a CPU. The 1700 or 1700x are good value IF YOU OVERCLOCK. Ryzen needs to sit at 4.0Ghz to be at least competitive imho.

 

On the Intel side:

A 7700k is a good CPU, $299 with microcenter, backed by a solid and refined motherboard market, solid chipset and I can pick whatever memory I want without worrying about compatibility. I'm not even going to mention that a 4.5 Ghz overclock is apparently easy to get and expected for just about every 7700k.

 

I'm not opposed to overclocking again. I've been running my 2500k at 4.4 Ghz for YEARS without issue and it has really added a ton of value considering how long I have had it. With Ryzen there is a pretty hard cap on most models right around 4.0 Ghz (some at 3.9, some at 4.1).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would also point out that at your current resolution 1440p it becomes even more even between AMD and Intel. If you were still running 1080p it becomes a more obvious choice to stay with Intel.

 

The motherboard/memory market is scary for AMD but I still think you can find a solid m-atx board and memory by carefully following some general guidelines. I think it's a hard choice to go with something like the 1700(x) series unless you were making use of the cpu/core improvements by rendering/video editing on a regular basis. I'd be tempted to say that AMD has a more future proof ecosystem because of the improvements we're seeing as well as the push for multi-threaded applications/games, but honestly that's a guess at best.

 

Again, I think the market right now is very close to even. Both CPUs offer advantages and have their own drawbacks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would also point out that at your current resolution 1440p it becomes even more even between AMD and Intel. If you were still running 1080p it becomes a more obvious choice to stay with Intel.

 

True.

 

The motherboard/memory market is scary for AMD but I still think you can find a solid m-atx board and memory by carefully following some general guidelines.

 

I have wanted itx for a while now which I think is pretty obvious from the thread I created dedicated to that form factor.

 

I'd be tempted to say that AMD has a more future proof ecosystem because of the improvements we're seeing as well as the push for multi-threaded applications/games, but honestly that's a guess at best.

 

The future proofing is something I have seen some people discuss and I think it has some merit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Considering that your previous system is approximately 6 years old, you could use a future proofed system. I also realized I swap cars more regularly than CPUs.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

ITX isn't going to happen anytime soon. The board partners don't seem to care enough to push out a large selection, let alone an enthusiast/gamer ITX board on AM4. Just doing a quick search the only thing I saw was a biostar announced board, but I can't find a release date or place to purchase it. mid april release http://wccftech.com/first-amd-ryzen-mini-itx-motherboard-detailed/

 

I think you're going to be hard pressed to find much selection in the ITX segment until much later this year. MATX seems to have decent selection, or at least more boards announced.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

MATX seems to have decent selection, or at least more boards announced.

 

There are no X series ("enthusiast level") mATX AM4 boards

There are some B series ("mainstream level") mATX AM4 boards.

A series ("essentials") AM4 boards are not even worth considering since overclocking features are locked.

 

B350 mATX AM4 boards on newegg - https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007625%20601292786%208000%20600009017%20600456442%20601292788&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&PageSize=60&order=PRICED

 

A bunch of those have Realtek ALC8xx series audio chips which is crap. Rear I/O is mostly a joke. It looks like only one of those has an optical audio out (which I do use).

 

I wouldn't want any of those....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

MATX seems to have decent selection, or at least more boards announced.

 

There are no X series ("enthusiast level") mATX AM4 boards

There are some B series ("mainstream level") mATX AM4 boards.

A series ("essentials") AM4 boards are not even worth considering since overclocking features are locked.

 

B350 mATX AM4 boards on newegg - https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007625%20601292786%208000%20600009017%20600456442%20601292788&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&PageSize=60&order=PRICED

 

A bunch of those have Realtek ALC8xx series audio chips which is crap. Rear I/O is mostly a joke. It looks like only one of those has an optical audio out (which I do use).

 

I wouldn't want any of those....

 

 

 

....but as soon as you look at full size ATX AM4 boards there are lots of decent options even some with solid feature sets for pretty reasonable prices.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So the consensus is pretty solid now that if you want good memory compatibility with Ryzen that runs at Ryzen's max speed then you want 2x8GB DDR4 3200 @ CAS 14 - https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=100007611%20600006072%20600535716%208000%20600546709&IsNodeId=1&OEMMark=N%2C0%2C1&bop=And&PageSize=60&order=PRICED

 

Those prices look like they are $5 higher across the board compared to last week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

RuPbBGH.png

Album - http://imgur.com/a/s7Img
Thread (and source of quote below) - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/68z9yi/testing_how_many_cpu_cores_can_games_take/

Quote

OP: CPU: Ryzen 7 1700 (downclocked to 3,0Ghz, I wanted slow cpu cores that need to divide workloads not 2 powerfull cores that can run the game by itself, this isnt a Ryzen performance test) GPU: GTX 1080, games were tested at 720p resolution because we want to stress the CPU. Yes, this is not a "Real World Test", but we dont want to test Ryzen performance, we want to test how many CPU cores can use some modern games.

Most of the graphs look similar to the BF1 I hotlinked above.

As for the rest of the AMD "landscape" right now, nothing has changed lately.

There is a newegg page for that biostar itx board now ( https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138452 ). Too bad the audio chip is garbage, there is a wastefully large DVI connector on the back I/O and I would appreciate seeing a bit more cooling on the board.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

×
×
  • Create New...