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ot to be confused with the other stuff Intel stuff I posted today.... this is the non-enthusiast stuff....

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One source. Some details. Not that there are a lot.

http://wccftech.com/intel-x299-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-z370-coffee-lake-s-z390-cannonlake-cpu-details/

New chipset: Z370
New socket: LGA 1151 V2 (the V2 part very important)
i7 will be 6 core (and assuming 12 threads)

Winter 2017?

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article 1 - http://www.anandtech.com/show/11698/intel-finalizes-skylakex-processor-specifications-18cores-44-ghz-165w-on-september-25th

This is about Skylake-X but I think the fact that it is just getting "finalized publicly" now and with release dates that start on Aug 28 and then go forward from there I think that Coffee Lake is probably all the way into next year now even though everyone keeps saying it will be retail "before the end of the year".

article 2 - https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3015231/intel-will-begin-production-of-8th-gen-coffee-lake-cpus-this-month

This is an example of what I mean "...according to a series of leaked slides which claim that the parts could arrive as soon as August." Really? Either it's much farther away from that or Intel is planning many launches in a short period of time that overlap each other in price and usecase.

I dunno.

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Looks like it's October 5th launch date - according to rumors anyway. 

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-8th-gen-desktop-cpus-pre-order/

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-intel-i7-8700k-to-launch-on-5th-october

It's nice to see their top end 8700k at 6/12 cores/threads but they're still sitting behind ryzen on that count.  It also looks like it'll be a little more expensive than the ryzen 1700x which is what I expected.  Intel still seems to think they can demand a premium, I'm curious if the performance will reflect that or if this will just end up making ryzen look even more appealing.  I have a feeling anything 1440p+ or heavy threading will still go to ryzen and some minor single core improvements and 1080p gaming will still stick with Intel for the foreseeable future. 

Sidenote - AMD is doing well and has overtaken intel in CPU sales at a major german e-tailer. http://wccftech.com/amd-cpu-sales-overtake-intel-first-time-decade-germanys-largest-e-tailer/

I also saw some weird stuff from the AMD developers about Ryzen and Zen 2, suggesting that Zen 2 will be focused on improving IPC and clocks.  I'm their roadmap also says that zen 2 will be on 7nm so I'm not sure how that all shakes out, especially considering most CPU cycles are 18 months - not really sure what the comment about having a "good 2018" is about unless they plan on releasing incremental updates to the current ryzen lineups, like a 1750 or 1850 with better clocks? That might piss some people off. 
http://wccftech.com/amd-talks-ryzen-zen-2-ipc-clock-speed/

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While the new 6/12 coffee lake processors are launching in less than a month, the future holds so much more. 

Ice Lake is the z390 chipset powered 8/16 intel platform and will be on the 10nm process due out 2H'18. 
Source: http://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-ice-lake-8-core-16-thread-mainstream-cpu-leak/

Here's the roadmap
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And the comparison chart to try and keep it all straight:
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That second table should say "LGA 1151 v2" for Coffee Lake's socket (and maybe Ice Lake too?). 300 series chipsets are not going to be backwards compatible.

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"Prices of Intel’s Coffee Lake-S CPUs Published: $400 for Core i7-8700K?"

source - https://www.anandtech.com/show/11843/prices-of-intels-coffee-lakes-cpus-published-400-for-core-i78700k

If that headline ends up being true then that is too much. The 1700x and especially the 1700 are regularly getting sales that drop them just under the $300 mark and have been for a month or two now.

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article - https://www.anandtech.com/show/11869/intel-announces-8th-generation-coffee-lake-hex-core-desktop-processors

i7-8700K, $359, 6 cores/12 threads, 3.8GHz base frequency
i5-8600K, $257, 6 cores/6 threads, 3.6GHz base frequency

Not a whole lot new there that was not already known. Nice that it is official though.

I think the 8600K might find a nice niche for itself if you have the right use-case and plan to overclock and push it up to maybe the same base frequency as the 7700K (4.2GHz) which I imagine would not be hard.

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This seems like a reasonable upgrade path for me. Although I'm very much still enjoyable the performance of my 4790k, I feel this the extra 2 cores at 4.8 GHz peak turbo versus my 4.4 is a decent boost. That being said I don't feel the need to swap really.

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Unless you're running into computer issues I don't really see the need for you to upgrade.

I really dislike the current option from Intel.  They couldn't match AMD on cores (but they will later next year) while I expect their single core performance to be slightly better than the AMD offerings, I'm not sure that's worth it considering the prices they're asking for.  While their motherboard chipset is more mature than AMD's it's not great knowing that this is going to be a short generation as they push out the 390 chipset in a year alongside the 8/16 chips. 

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Here's the Anandtech review: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11859/the-anandtech-coffee-lake-review-8700k-and-8400-initial-numbers

It seems like the 8700k performs very well and offers some reasonable competition to ryzen, flat out beating it in most single core applications and 1080p gaming performance.  The reviewer mentions that at this point windows 10 does some weird stuff occasionally activating extra cores and thereby dropping the turbo frequency at somewhat random intervals.  There's also the issue of applications and games not fully using multicore systems let alone handling 12+ threads. 

Also, I think it's fair to get upset with both Intel and AMD regarding their sockets/chipset naming conventions.  They both decided to use the same socket but different chipsets which means that not only are new chips not backwards compatible but old chips are absolutely not compatible with new motherboards, regardless of everything being 1151/AM4.  I feel like this is needless confusion and a bit of a disaster.  It would have been easy enough to label them as v2 or do something to properly differentiate the "old" sockets/chipsets from the new ones. 

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