kuhla Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Anandtech review - https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested (their website is kinda dying right now) AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Processors Zen 3 Microarchitecture AnandTech Cores Threads Base Freq Turbo Freq L3 Cache TDP MSRP Ryzen 9 5950X 16c/32t 3400 4900 64 MB 105 W $799 Ryzen 9 5900X 12c/24t 3700 4800 64 MB 105 W $549 Ryzen 7 5800X 8c/16t 3800 4700 32 MB 105 W $449 Ryzen 5 5600X 6c/12t 3700 4600 32 MB 65 W $299* It's fast in games. It's fast in applications. It's fast. It's the new king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 5, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 So now that I have had a little more time to read and digest, some bullet points: The 5950X will turbo to 5.0Ghz with the right conditions (heat, load and power). The other models will also turbo like 50-150 higher than rated on the box. 5800X and 5600X are one chiplet which makes sense they are 8 cores or under. I guess DDR4-3600 is now the recommended "ideal" RAM speed. Power usage is basically the same with Zen 3 (compared to Zen 2). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 hmmm soo 5600x ? its about 150 diff and i feel like 150 is soo a lot of times when im just gaming alone i have videos going on the side while i game and my performance tank. is that mostly on the gpu ? like would the jump between 6-8 core going to make any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, T1no said: hmmm soo 5600x ? its about 150 diff and i feel like 150 is soo a lot of times when im just gaming alone i have videos going on the side while i game and my performance tank. is that mostly on the gpu ? like would the jump between 6-8 core going to make any different? Many games STILL don't do a great job of taking advantage of more than 4 cores/8 threads (see video below from this year) so any performance issues you are seeing I am more willing to blame on drivers or browsers or OS weirdness or something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 I had a huge perf. boost going from 4 core to 12 core because I run a ton stuff on the side. If you multi-task with other things running in the background I'd highly suggest going to at least 8 cores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 7 hours ago, Jedi2155 said: I had a huge perf. boost going from 4 core to 12 core because I run a ton stuff on the side. If you multi-task with other things running in the background I'd highly suggest going to at least 8 cores. extra bold underline emphasis on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 10 hours ago, kuhla said: Many games STILL don't do a great job of taking advantage of more than 4 cores/8 threads (see video below from this year) so any performance issues you are seeing I am more willing to blame on drivers or browsers or OS weirdness or something else. Too add a few graphs that illustrate this point: Red Dead Redeption Microsoft Flight Simulator (extreme case) I think 6 cores is plenty, the game benefits beyond 4 are negligible, especially at 1440p or above. Unless you plan on doing substantial multitasking or video editing/encoding there's really not much benefit to going beyond that mark. If you want more horsepower you could go with the 5800x, but I wouldn't go beyond that. From a value standpoint, it's probably better to go with the 5600x and use the "extra" $150 on a better GPU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 jesus said 5600x or just make the jump to 5900x if you really do multitasking, editing encoding. or 5800x if on sale but prob anytime soon. (edited) honestly im not to worry having a good performance in game for the 5600x but willing to pay the extra to be able to throw shit at it at the same time and not chug or chug less. but thanks for the visuals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 wait why is the 5800x only if it's on sale? if I was buying a CPU right now then personally I would be looking at the 5800x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 the way how i understood it if you are building for a workstation prob fork more for the 5900x instead of the 5800x. the 5800x is 50 dollars too expensive on his scale im guessing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 2 hours ago, T1no said: the way how i understood it if you are building for a workstation prob fork more for the 5900x instead of the 5800x. the 5800x is 50 dollars too expensive on his scale im guessing. 12 -> 16 -> 24 -> 32 12 -(+33%)-> 16 -(50%)-> 24 -(+33%)-> 32 if we tried to do the same with pricing it would be $299 -(+33%)-> $400 -(+50%)-> $600 -(+33%)-> $800 I mean I guess I see what you are saying....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 So I am seeing a lot of chatter from people about memory with Zen 3...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGux0pANft0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UkGu6A-6sQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTbx4fk3rw .....not in terms of compatibility (like Zen 1) but in terms of performance. It's kind of an old discussion but again it's boiling down to two sticks and dual rank or four sticks and single rank being the best setup so now again people are scouring websites, forum posts, everything to figure out if the RAM they have/looking at is dual rank or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T1no Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 hmm soo more sticks better depending on the rank. i havent bought ram or decide my cpu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted November 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 42 minutes ago, T1no said: hmm soo more sticks better depending on the rank. i havent bought ram or decide my cpu. Just like with a lot of other things, if gaming is priority #1, if you are bumping up the graphics settings or the resolution then the #1 limiting factor is your GPU not your CPU or RAM so this ends up being unimportant and just buy whatever the cheapest DDR4 3600 kit is at the size you want. For me personally, I paid a premium for my current memory because I was worried at the time about leaving some CPU performance "on the table" so I shopped around for memory that specifically used Samsung B-die chips. Samsung stopped making those chips so even though there are still some floating around they are very expensive. That means you end up having to do a lot of back-and-forth comparison with tables like this to hopefully find confirmed dual rank products. Example: I wonder if this is dual rank because in the table the only things running at DDR4-3600 with 16-19-19-39 timings at 1.35V use Hynix 8Gbit CJR chips which should be dual rank I think. I would probably buy it, check in CPU-Z and if it's not dual rank send it back. EDIT: Apparently Gigabyte has rank info on their memory compatibility lists which might be handy: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B550-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10/support#support-doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malaphax Posted November 12, 2020 Report Share Posted November 12, 2020 To give a simpler response than kuhla. Check the Qualified Vendor List for the motherboard you're buying, and then buy the size/speed you want. I don't think B-die is worth hunting, just get something with good speed and low CAS timings. I've heard very good things about the g.skill trident z neo memory, so use this as a reference. https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232861 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 Ever since I stopped using Samsung RAPID as part of their magician since it doesn't support their nVME evo lineup, I haven't had an SSD cache. The whole concept bothered me for a while since I have still have a ton of games on a slow 5400 (or 5900 RPM) 3 TB drive, and install some games on a 500 GB SSD. Looks like AMD's StoreMI is the right solution to fix it. https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/store-mi Intels equivalent is SmartResponse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 This is one of those things which has been in the enterprise space for so long that now is showing up in consumer stuff and a lot of people I think are just wondering what took so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Interesting that StoreMi requires you to manually link the drives you want to act as the cache partition versus figuring it all out itself which means this is happening at the chipset level. I assigned 400 GB to my Games drive and 50 GB to my Media drive, will assign another 50 GB to another drive that is currently offline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuhla Posted July 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 I'm assuming the cache drive becomes completely unavailable for use as storage? Or is just split off like a partition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2155 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 11 hours ago, kuhla said: I'm assuming the cache drive becomes completely unavailable for use as storage? Or is just split off like a partition? It is not allowed to have ANY partition and completely disappears from the windows Disk Management. All partioning happens within the StoreMI and things happen at much lower level than Windows I think. I suspect this happens at the hardware level since they emphasized in the documentation the drives need to be connected to the same SATA interface as the HDDs and cannot be on 3rd party controllers or that is just a software limitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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